D4 vs Bzrk (01 June)

So this is our first proper clannie vs Bzrk, without subs/random pubs taking part.

Date: 01/07/2009 22:36
Patch version: 1.23
Map: DotA Allstars 6.60b
Game mode: -ap
Game length: 48:02

Spoiler:

Winner: Sentinel

Sentinel:
Top:
cput, level 16 (Top), K/D: 5/3, CS: 46/2, items: , APM: 111
NAto, level 20 (Top), K/D: 13/3, CS: 59/4, items: , APM: 124
Mid:
general_tao, level 19 (Mid), K/D: 7/3, CS: 145/5, items: , APM: 109
Bot:
Sober-Z, level 18 (Bot), K/D: 7/7, CS: 45/7, items: , APM: 117
rockafella, level 19 (Bot), K/D: 11/3, CS: 99/5, items: , APM: 107

Scourge:
Top:
Staple2, level 12 (Top), K/D: 2/9, CS: 58/0, items: , APM: 89
sTd, level 13 (Top), K/D: 2/11, CS: 55/1, items: , APM: 119
Mid:
-bLuNt-, level 15 (Mid), K/D: 3/7, CS: 66/7, items: , APM: 101
Bot:
hallow, level 15 (Bot), K/D: 4/10, CS: 102/8, items: , APM: 100
ah_, level 14 (Bot), K/D: 7/9, CS: 77/12, items: , APM: 143

Game was pretty even early on with bot lane trading kills, Sober lagging hectically the whole game and walking into the the tower on low hp with no enemy heroes around and commiting suicide
Blunt ganging early from mid and me not listening to calls also resulted in a death or two.

Once we reached mid game tho the overpowered tauren ruined every team battle for them and we started getting the upper hand. Bzrk just didnt have the hero power in team battles to hold their own and it wasn't long before we were too strong to hold back.

Bzrk didn't play badly, just didn't have a counter for tauren. Looking forward to our next game.

If there's anyone that wants to watch the replay let me know and I'll upload. Just not sure if anyone ever dl's it.

Well played, cs says alot, your carriers >>>>

wp D4, bzRk didn't look like they held back with that lineup of theirs.

Was surprised to see that Bane outfarmed Clock. O_o

yeah clock spent a lot of time ganging so thats prob why.

What really helped us in team fights was wards. I watched the replay from their perspective last night and to be honest we only were able to capitalise on tauren because we had wards in the first place. There was one team fight in the jungle where sober just dropped a ward on the hill next to the weakest jungle camp... that was where they started to gather and didn't realise we could see them.

Also, those aren't my items XD I had bkb, treads, perseverance, reaver and a vitality booster.

ya items are a bit wonky, I had bloodstone and phase boots too.

Anyway Nato u need to start playing blink SK. Its a core item for him and should actually come before bkb.

Yeah Nato. A SK without blink is like a man without uhhhh..... you know what

But well played guys. Good to see the d4rk boys getting a nice win under their belts.

lol ya, i was wondering a lil why the cm had blink and bkb, when the sk only had bkb....Cus is my opinion bkb isnt that great. Would much rather get blink over bkb

I never really like blink dagger with sk which is why I didn't get it... but I'll practice it in bubbies etc and I'll do it next time I'm sk.

EDIT: On second though if I got dagger I wouldn't have to bkb... hmmm...

NAto wrote:EDIT: On second though if I got dagger I wouldn't have to bkb... hmmm...

Terrible thought,how are you meant to initiate properly without blink?

OT: Bzrks lanes are LOL,shouldn't have given you tauren especially when they dont know how to counter it properly(shown by the lanes and heroes picked).

In my opinion roaming heroes defeat any hero,no matter how powerful.Try a venge,it will work against tauren.

Wp,solid performance.

ya Tauren is very hard to counter (until he gets nerf), only way would be to stun/disable while he is channeling stomp. Only prob is he can innitiate stomp with his image while out of range...

That being said, like Nato says warding was spot on most of the game, allowing me to innitiate on them without them knowing where we coming from.

Also @Nato: a blink dagger on SK pretty much eliminates the need for a BKB so why waste extra cash on a uneeded item. The idea is to cast ulti out of sight, and blink in as soon as channeling is complete (using shift). That way theres no way for them to cancel it and you still have stun to dish out to the most deserving hero.

If you really worried about dying as soon as you blink in with your ulti on, just cast sandstorm straight after (won't cancel ulti), but SK shouldn't be scared to die for the cause

Personally i think tauren is a bit over-rated.
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Im not saying im not going to ban him or pick him,i just dont believe he is that unstoppable as people make him to be.
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No one can win against stun ?

I agree with Gask on the Taurean thing, i wouldnt pick or ban either....The only thing he good for is structured ganging in my opinion....wtith the aoe thing n all

The thing with that tauren is that there is no way to stop his stun (he channels from too far away), and once you're stunned there is no way to stop yourself from being ultied. If you catch 2 or 3 people in there team with it, it means they start off with really bad hp then tauren runs in with +250 damage D: So basically he rapes a few people on your team then runs in with the rest of his team and he has more damage than carry... NOT TO MENTION against him you have 0% spell and armour based resistance. If he manages to open up on 4/5 of your team... you're fucked.

Regarding SK with dagger... I didn't know you could waypoint his ulti with dagger. So you press ulti and while he's channelling you click dagger and shift-click the blink? I must practice that although I can't see it being hard at all.

Not hard at all
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Pick tauren against mint/tankh and it wont have the same effect against these "weaker" clans.Reason being is that roaming 101 is the order of the day for most clans,plus these people are dota gods.They'll stun taurens p**s before he hits it,or one or two will be able to dodge.
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60b has been released long enough for players to accustom themselves to the different Tauren strats/counters.